Ethan Mayers is tracking venture-adjacent funds targeting $50 million to $500 million exits instead of betting every portfolio on unicorns.
Mayers is a venture partner, operator, and former founder who has worked across 50-plus countries. He produced Stephen A. Smith’s talk show, worked around Pat Summitt’s program at Tennessee, joined a Lehman Brothers and Warburg Pincus portfolio company, went through Techstars, led corporate venture for a $3 billion company, and turned around a major influencer marketing agency.
His argument is not that venture capital is dying. Mayers calls VC a “beautiful, elegant model,” but says the industry spent roughly 15 years applying power-law economics to companies that did not require power-law outcomes.
He sees a broader capital menu emerging. Small-to-medium venture, or SMV, funds can target $50 million to $500 million acquisitions with success rates closer to 60% to 75%. Permanent capital can finance cash-generating technology companies without requiring an exit, while “nimble” capital targets shorter holding periods. He also points to MDB Capital, which takes patentable technology toward a microcap IPO.
In Today’s Episode We Discuss
00:00 - Ethan Mayers’ path from television to venture capital
03:08 - Why storytelling became Ethan’s foundational skill
04:31 - The train encounter that led to ESPN
06:03 - Why founders are always selling
07:00 - Leaving television for finance
08:31 - Experiencing the 2008 financial crisis
09:18 - A $40 million pre-seed check and $1.5 billion credit facility
12:29 - Why founders should think twice before suing investors
12:57 - Brian’s 2008 departure from Wall Street
15:52 - Learning how startups actually work
18:10 - Techstars and corporate venture in India
20:16 - Turning around an influencer agency
21:46 - Why capital may change more in five years than the previous 50
23:03 - Capital as a 400-year-old coordinating technology
24:46 - Why venture became a distinct asset class
26:42 - Why the traditional VC model is changing
27:38 - AI, fewer greenfield opportunities, and bigger deals
29:09 - Why power-law venture was misapplied
30:42 - SMVs and $50 million to $500 million exits
31:29 - Permanent capital for technology companies
32:18 - Nimble capital and sub-six-year exits
33:00 - MDB Capital’s path to microcap IPO
34:28 - Why startups are staying private longer
35:42 - Changing early-stage return profiles
38:56 - The case for high-conviction portfolios
39:32 - Brian’s argument against extreme concentration
41:29 - A new menu of capital for founders
42:40 - Why venture firms may become broader capital firms
43:32 - How the unicorn fund could evolve
45:40 - LP liquidity and long-duration funds
48:24 - How Brazil adapted venture capital
49:58 - Why part of early-stage VC may transform
50:45 - The language problem around new asset classes
51:49 - Active funds, zombie funds, and “Schrödinger funds”
53:13 - Ethan’s Post-Unicorn Capital atlas
The career stories are equally useful. A repeated 6:21 train ride and a conversation with a CNN producer helped Ethan land at ESPN; years later, he taught himself to build a waterfall model over a weekend. He also explains the “Schrödinger fund”: a firm cultivating deal flow but lacking enough deployable capital and primarily existing to keep fundraising.
Capital structures are human inventions. When companies change, the structures financing them can change too.
Pull Quotes
“We should not be applying unicorns of power law to every form of startup”
“The future that I see coming is a menu.”
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